пятница, 21 сентября 2012 г.

Akron, Ohio, Medical Center Getting Back to Patient Care. - Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News

By Erika D. Smith, Akron Beacon Journal, Ohio Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News

Jan. 14--Akron General Medical Center is getting out of the technology business and getting back to basics -- caring for patients.

On Tuesday, the hospital announced it has sold its computer services network to NextMED Systems. The Cleveland-based company began handling billing, claims reimbursement and other services for about 350 doctors after the December transaction. The acquisition will not only free up Akron General's resources to focus on patient care, but create more than 100 jobs in the Akron area by 2005.

The NextMED deal is 'an example of strategically where we're going as an organization,' said Alan Bleyer, president and chief executive of Akron General Medical Center.

NextMED did not disclose terms of the deal, but did say it was the fruit of a long partnership with Akron General. The hospital started using the Cleveland company's services in October 2002, with an eye toward an eventual acquisition.

'We worked together with them to upgrade their old system,' said Phil Lara, vice president of NextMED. No jobs will be lost with the deal. All 12 employees from Akron General's network, called the Physicians Service Network, have taken jobs with NextMED. And more jobs are expected to be created next year. NextMED has about 75 employees in three offices in Summit County. By 2005, Lara said the company's operations will be consolidated in Fairlawn's Summit Medical Plaza (owned by Akron General) and boast 200 employees. NextMED can supply high-tech services the hospital cannot, said Alan Papa, Akron General's vice president of network services.

Under NextMED's control, doctors will have access to a new suite of special programs to help them do their jobs. 'We had known a long time ago that our capital was limited and we wanted to spend our capital on our core business,' he said. 'Patient care is what we should be spending our money on.'

In the 1980s and 1990s, the trend in health care was to create corporations that handled the whole spectrum of medical care, with hospital systems owning their own insurance companies, physicians' offices and pharmacies. Now, though, Akron General is taking that model apart. The new guiding principal is to sell off the parts of the system that don't focus on patient care. Such deals cut overhead costs. At the same time, Akron General can maintain a beneficial relationship with the buyer.

Akron General created a similar arrangement in July, when it got out of the insurance business by selling HomeTown Health Network for $13 million to the Health Plan of the Upper Ohio Valley. The deal, though, came with a contract guaranteeing that HomeTown's new owner won't send patients to Akron General's competitors.

NextMED also will refer patients to Akron General for an undisclosed period of time.

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четверг, 20 сентября 2012 г.

Ohio firm to offer Medicare HMO coverage - The Charleston Gazette (Charleston, WV)

WASHINGTON (AP) - An Ohio health-care insurer has been givenapproval to offer Medicare health maintenance organization coveragein nine West Virginia counties and seven Ohio counties.

The Health Care Financing Administration, which overseesMedicare,said Thursday that Health Plan of Upper Ohio Valley, based in St.Clairsville, Ohio, will begin offering service on Feb. 1.

Ohio HMO selects Internet-based health management system. - Health & Medicine Week

2004 MAY 3 - (NewsRx.com & NewsRx.net) -- The Health Plan of Upper Ohio Valley will offer new online services to its providers, employers, and brokers through HealthTrio connect, an Internet-based health management system.

HealthTrio is a provider of e-health and core business solutions for the managed-care industry. The Health Plan of Upper Ohio Valley is a not-for-profit health plan serving more than 350,000 members in southeast Ohio and northern West Virginia. The health plan will launch all three portals in 2004, starting with the provider portal.

'We faced the classic 'build vs. buy' dilemma: Is it cheaper to buy a turnkey e-health solution or dedicate internal IT [information technology] resources to create one?' said Phil Wright, CEO of The Health Plan of Upper Ohio Valley. 'After deciding to upgrade our existing core administrative system, we ultimately decided to 'buy' HealthTrio connect for two main reasons. First, HealthTrio connect has a proven track record of user adoption, something with which we have struggled in the past. Secondly, we felt HealthTrio could be easily integrated into our existing programs.'

Using HealthTrio connect, providers exchange, modify, and execute claims, referrals, and eligibility transactions using a unified online environment. The HealthTrio connect system also positively impacts patient care, enabling providers to streamline and improve clinical processes, such as more accurate prescription writing and timelier lab results reporting for better decision making.

Later in 2004, The Health Plan of Upper Ohio Valley plans to launch the HealthTrio connect employer and broker portals. HealthTrio connect automates all aspects of benefits management, enabling these employers to analyze where and how premium dollars are spent; improve billing accuracy through online premium billing reconciliation; reduce errors in communication with employees; and improve employee satisfaction through online enrollment.

HealthTrio connect is used by brokers to input employer and census information, reconcile commissions and receive quotes online, as well as to access personalized benefit information about The Health Plan of Upper Ohio Valley's product offerings.

Few West Virginia Doctors Retire Early Due to Frustrations with HMOs.(Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News) - Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News

Sep. 4--Like doctors in the rest of the nation, West Virginia's physicians are often dissatisfied with managed care organizations. But unlike their counterparts in other states, they are not being nudged into early retirement by HMOs.

The main reason is the low penetration of HMOs in the state.

'When you look at the number of people covered by HMOs in West Virginia and compare it to national rates, it's very low,' said Evan Jenkins, executive director of the West Virginia State Medical Association.

Patients enrolled in the four HMOs operating in West Virginia account for only 10 percent of the population, with heaviest enrollments in densely populated areas, according to the West Virginia Hospital Association.

Jenkins said managed care may be a factor in a doctor's decision to retire or change careers, but the reasons are more complex and varied.

'I'm sure there are some physicians who are retiring or who have changed careers because of intrusions into their practice by HMOs and other third parties, but there are a plethora of issues that make practicing medicine in West Virginia harder than it would be in some other states,' he said.

'The practice of medicine is not what is used to be. There are seasoned professionals who are saying they've had it -- be it managed care or other frustrations.'

Dr. Phil Polack is a plastic surgeon in Wheeling, an area where many patients are enrolled in the Health Plan of the Upper Ohio Valley, an HMO.

'I will soon be 55 and virtually every member of my class is either in administrative medicine or retired,' Polack said. 'I wish I could say there was one particular reason they have, but we have a relatively patient-friendly HMO here, and the truth is there are many reasons.'

Jenkins said doctors in the state are more likely to retire, move or change careers because of medical malpractice suits. 'What we are seeing is that the liability climate in the state is having a more significant impact on doctors than HMOs,' he said.

Polack said malpractice insurance costs for doctors have increased 20 percent to 25 percent this year from the previous year. 'It varies according to specialty, but I know one neurosurgeon whose premium went from $97,000 last year to $172,000 this year,' he said. 'Compared to other states we pay a lot. A general surgeon I know will be moving to Decatur, Ill., where his malpractice premium will be $18,000 a year -- here it was $63,000.'

Jenkins said in addition to liability costs and HMOs, reduced reimbursements from Medicare and the Public Employees Insurance Agency, government regulations and the state provider tax of 2 percent of physicians' income, all contribute to early retirement.

'The frustration level among physicians is very high,' he said. 'Doctors are leaving the state and it's hard to recruit in West Virginia.'

But U.S. Census Bureau numbers indicate that the state's doctor/population ratio remained steady between 1990 and 1999, and some doctors approaching retirement age say they will stay to weather whatever problems arise.

'I know there is a lot of dissatisfaction out there,' said Dr. William Harris, a family practitioner and geriatrics specialist in Charleston. 'But the question for doctors is the same for everyone who lives in West Virginia -- why do you stay when there are better opportunities in other places?

'The answer is for the love of the land, the mountains and the people -- that's what's keeping all of us here.'

Harris said West Virginia has high numbers of elderly and sick who desperately need doctors. 'We need every doctor we can get. Regardless of how much pressure and heat is put on us, my colleagues and I plan to stick it out and stay in practice,' he said. 'We'll be the ones to turn the lights out -- we're not leaving.'

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среда, 19 сентября 2012 г.

Battle looms for hospital rate hike: ; Clarksburg medical center wants to up prices 21 percent - Charleston Daily Mail

The state's largest health insurance company is waging battleagainst a high stakes, multi-million dollar proposal to raise pricesat West Virginia's newest hospital.

Officials at United Hospital Center in Clarksburg are askingstate regulators to allow a 21 percent increase in the prices thehospital can charge patients.

If approved, the increase could be the largest ever granted bythe West Virginia Health Care Authority, which oversees the statehealth care system.

Customers covered by the state's largest insurer, Mountain StateBlue Cross Blue Shield, would end up paying $9.5 million a year tocover the new costs, according to regulatory filings.

The hefty request comes as United Hospital Center is preparing tomove into an eight-story, $300 million building just off Interstate79 exit 124 near Bridgeport. The new UHC facility opens in Octoberand replaces a smaller, aging building in Clarksburg.

To pay off the loans for the new building, hospital officialsneed an additional $14 million a year over the next three decades.

To raise the money, they are asking the health care authority toraise the average rate the hospital can charge a patient for care by21.25 percent.

Right now, the average outpatient visit is $507. If UHC's requestwere approved, the average outpatient visit would cost $614 a year.

Inpatient costs would go from $12,200 to $14,800 for an averagestay.

UHC President Bruce Carter said there has been some stickershock.

'UHC has received a certain amount of criticism because peoplereact viscerally to that number out of context. I don't blame them;I would, too,' he said.

But Carter said even if the whole increase is granted, UHC stillwould be charging less than some of its peers.

'Even if the authority approved our rate increase of what werequested, our rates would still be below average,' Carter said. 'Ithink that's the rub of the matter.'

Without the increase, Carter said the hospital would lose severalmillion a year; risk exhausting its cash reserves to buy equipmentand pay staff; and could eventually face bankruptcy if there arechronic revenue shortfalls because of price controls.

But private insurance companies, whose customers will end upfooting much of the bill, call the increase unreasonable andunnecessary.

Those companies will bear much of the burden of the price hikebecause the increase won't apply to government insurance programslike Medicare, Medicaid or PEIA. The government insurance programs,which cover most of the customers at UHC, are able to negotiate orset their own prices at rates below what hospitals want to chargeand below what private companies pay.

Mountain State referred questions about its position to itsfilings with the state health care authority.

In one of the filings, Mountain State called the request'excessive, unreasonable and premature.'

In a separate brief from The Health Plan of the Upper OhioValley, another private insurer, attorney Robert Kota suggested direoutcomes if the increase is granted.

'It's getting to the point where employers, employees andindividuals may not, and in some cases cannot, afford the premiumsnow, and higher hospital and doctor rates just exacerbate theproblem,' Kota said.

The consumer advocate from the state Office of the InsuranceCommissioner called the request 'unprecedented' and said granting itwould open the door to other large requests.

A 21 percent increase 'would open Pandora's box as hospitals fromacross the state would be lining up to file similar unnecessary andimproper rate increase requests,' said consumer advocate DennisGarrison.

He instead recommended a 6.25 percent increase.

The health care authority, which has overseen rates at statehospitals since the 1980s, is expected to make a decision withinweeks. Depending on the outcome, it could be appealed.

Sonia Chambers, the president of the authority's board ofdirectors, said UHC's request was unusually high but was also thefirst rate increase request she'd heard following the constructionof a new hospital.

'We have very rarely gone into double digits,' Chambers said.

A long process

The request case highlights the complicated nature of health careregulations.

The West Virginia Health Care Authority is one of only twohospital rate-setting programs in the country.

Since the 1970s, seven states have tried similar systems. Butonly Maryland and West Virginia continue, according to a Decemberpolicy paper released by The Commonwealth Fund, a private foundationthat studies the health care system.

West Virginia's authority acts much like the state Public ServiceCommission.

The 21 percent rate increase itself is a bit misleading.

Few patients actually pay the current average of $507 for anoutpatient visit or $12,200 for a stay.

That's because of the wide variance in services patients receive.One person might come in for a simple exam and pay less than theaverage; another person might have a long-term illness and pay farmore.

But getting approval to raise rates allows the hospital to raiseprices on a host of services so that the average goes up. That isdone by tweaking prices that are contained in a rate book that is anexhaustive list of the thousands and thousands of charges thathospital can make, from a single pill to an entire surgery.

If a hospital exceeds its rates in a year, the authority canpunish it by trimming what it can charge to bring it back withinlimits. Hospitals can get a pass from regulators if they have todeal with an unusually high number of severe cases.

The authority considers two types of rate increase applications.One, known as the 'benchmark' rate, is a standard, year-to-yearincrease granted to allow hospitals to keep up with rising costs,like inflation.

The other type of increase is known as a 'standard' increase,even though it's used less often. Asking for that type of increaseforces hospitals to justify their proposed rate.

The 21.25 percent increase UHC is asking for includes a 6.25percent benchmark increase - which would have been givenautomatically had UHC not applied for a standard increase - and a 15percent increase for costs associated with the new hospital.

UHC originally filed its rate increase request in mid-October.

Insurance companies quickly jumped in to request a hearing, whichhappened in February. Lawyers filed closing briefs in early April. Adecision could come by the end of this month.

Since January, UHC has been operating on an interim rate increaseof 2.5 percent. Even if it gets its full 21 percent increase, therate is not likely to be retroactive, meaning the hospital alreadyexpects to lose several million dollars because of the delay.

Hospital officials point out the 2.5 percent increase they havebeen operating on is below the inflation-adjusted benchmark 6.25percent increase they would have been given automatically had theynot submitted a standard request.

But they also say the full request itself is being blown out ofproportion.

Mike Garrison, an outside attorney hired by the hospital, said ina filing that 'emotionally charged hyperbole' from insurancecompanies and the consumer advocate diverts attention from how UHC'srates after the increase would still be comparable or even belowsimilar hospitals.

UHC's filing said if its request were granted, its outpatientcare would be the fourth lowest in its peer group. Its inpatientcharges would, by some measurers, be 'at or below' average.

'No amount of smokescreen or rhetoric from the affected partiescan transform 'average' into 'excessive,' ' Garrison said in thefiling.

Cost shifting

There is another misleading element in the rate increase: Fewpatients actually pay the stated charges.

Because the discounted rates government insurers pay hospitalswould be unaffected by the increase, private insurance companies andtheir customers will be stuck with the bill.

About 80 percent of UHC's customers use government programs likeMedicare, Medicaid or the state's Public Employees Insurance Agency,Carter said.

So, when UHC wants to raise money, it can't spread the costs toall of its patients because most of them are unaffected by therates. That means when the hospital needs to raise money, like the$14 million it wants now, it has to get all of that from the 20percent of the customers who have private insurance. And even largeprivate insurers have negotiated their own, lower rates.

Carter also notes the hospital provides $30 million a year incharity care for low-income citizens and does not turn people away.

It would be like visiting a McDonald's where almost nobody paysmenu price.

A McDonald's operating like UHC might get an average of $1 for aDollar Menu item, but it does that only by charging a select numberof customers more than $1 because most of its customers are able topay 50 or 60 cents.

And, for example, if that McDonald's wants to raise its averagetake from a $1 to $1.02, it has to charge the select number of full-price customers something like $1.05.

'Here's what's unfair, when I increase the rates 5 percent to getto 2 percent, somebody's going to pay the 5 percent,' Carter said.

Carter - who also advocates a single-payer national health caresystem - said if everybody paid equally, the 21 percent increasewould have been just under 10 percent.

Instead, private insurers like Mountain State pick up the wholetab.

'The people who are going to be (private) charge payers are goingto react negatively to the 21 percent because for them, it's real,'UHC's Carter said. 'For most payers it's not real - it's not goingto have any effect.'

Insurer's position

And, yes, the insurance companies have reacted negatively.

They've seized on a host of arguments, including questioning whyUHC doesn't dip into its sizeable cash reserves to handle the costsassociated with building its new building.

Mountain State also argues that UHC used less of its own cash tobuild the hospital and took out more loans that were necessary. Thecompany said in a filing with the health care authority that UHC hasmore than $150 million in cash on hand.

'Basically, UHC's position is why spend your own money when youcan ask the authority to raise rates to cover the costs,' MountainState's outside attorney Robert Coffield said in the filing.

Hospital officials argue that the low-interest loans they tookout pay for themselves over time because the hospital was able tocontinue earning higher interest from the cash it has in the bank.

Carter said a rule of thumb is that the earned interest should beenough to help to cover half of the costs each year of newequipment, computers, remodeling and other capital costs.

If the hospital dipped into its reserve and then had to take outmore loans, then it would be putting itself in the hole, Cartersaid.

'If you don't do that, you're running 90 mph down the interstatehoping there is a gas station down there.'

Without the increase, Carter said the hospital would have'extreme losses' of $5 million to $10 million a year. The hospital'sbudget is about $200 million a year, he said.

With those kinds of the losses, Carter said the hospital wouldhave two choices: cut costs or operate with losses year after yearuntil it exhausted its cash reserves.

He said if UHC does not get the full increase, he will not 'takeit out' on patients and staff by forgoing the purchase of newequipment or understaffing the hospital.

Health Plan of the Upper Ohio Valley's Kota said Wall Street's'love of cash on hand' was contrary to UHC's purpose.

'They're in existence to serve their communities, and keepinglarge cash reserves on hand doesn't really help the community,' hesaid in the insurer's filing.

But Carter said if UHC is forced to operate with losses eachyear, there is risk to the whole West Virginia United Health System,the state's largest employer. The system includes UHC, West VirginiaUniversity Hospitals, City Hospital in Martinsburg and JeffersonMemorial Hospital in Ranson.

If bond-rating agencies see UHC operating at a loss, Carter saidthey could downgrade the whole system's bond rating, making it moreexpensive for the system's hospitals to finance new capitalpurchases.

'This becomes self-defeating prophecy. By seemingly saving moneyup front, you're going to increase our cost over the years,' Cartersaid.

Another big question is whether the increase needs to be grantedall in one year.

Under questioning at the February hearing, Carter suggested therewere other ways to get the money.

'Do you feel that it is absolutely necessary in one year?' Carterwas asked.

'No,' he replied.

Moments later, Carter was asked why UHC had requested all 21percent in one year.

'Why not?' Carter replied.

Kota said Carter's comment showed UHC was trying to mislead thehealth care authority.

'I would think that a regulated entity would be more careful andhave more respect for the regulator than to 'cry wolf' about analleged 'pending disaster' (i.e. his above-mentioned letter and thenglibly stating, in essence, 'aw, we really didn't need it.')' Kotawrote.

In a response filed with the authority, UHC lawyer Garrison saidthe hospital was not against two or three years of gradual increasesbut said Carter was only suggesting that other scenarios werepossible.

But Carter thinks those scenarios would only create losses andforce the hospital to play catch-up.

Carter said in an interview he hopes for a fair shake from theauthority.

'We believe that the authority will fairly look at both argumentsand will make a logical, ethical and financial decision, and Ibelieve it will be favorable to UHC because I don't believe there'sany reason not to,' he said.

But he said what would look good politically would not be in thebest interest of patients.

'I can't take care of sick patients here in Harrison Countypolitically,' Cater said.

In the telephone interview last week, Carter said he had severalhundred patients above him at that very moment.

'They do not want to hear about not having enough nurses up thereright now. They don't want to hear it, and I don't blame them,'Carter said. 'They expect there are sufficient resources here totake care of them.'

Courtesy photos Officials at United Hospital Center in Clarksburgwant to increase the prices they can charge patients by doubledigits.

Gov. Joe Manchin spoke at the groundbreaking for the UnitedHospital Center on June 29, 2006. James Christie, mayor, City ofBridgeport; Neta Matthey, president, Auxiliary to United HospitalCenter; Robert DAlessandri, vice president, Health Sciences Center,West Virgina University; Thomas Hansberry, chairman, UHC Board ofDirectors; Gov. Joe Manchin; David C. Hardesty, Jr., chairman, WestVirginia United Health System Board of Directors; J. Thomas Jones,president, West Virginia United Health System; Bruce C. Carter,president and CEO, United Hospital Center; Gerald Wedemeyer,president, UHC Medical Staff; and Joyce Perine, UHC associate.

Medicaid head defends no-bid contracts decision - Charleston Daily Mail

The head of West Virginia's Medicaid program defended a decisionby state officials to enter into $600 million in no-bid contractswith three health insurance companies.

Nancy Atkins, the commissioner for the state Bureau for MedicalServices, said the contracts were not required to be bid out by thefederal government.

'While some states have competitive bidding for managed carecontracts, it is not required' by the federal government, she saidin a statement.

Right now, the state has agreements with three health insurancecompanies to provide care to more than 160,000 Medicaid recipientswho receive government-sponsored health insurance because they areon welfare.

Those agreements are worth a total of about $290 million a yearto the companies - The Health Plan of the Upper Ohio Valley, Unicareand Carelink. They have been ongoing and continue to be extendedyearly.

But beginning next year, the state is planning to send morecustomers to those companies in the form of 55,000 more Medicaidrecipients, a deal worth about $270 million total.

Atkins emphasized the state is not spending any additional moneyon the new program - only shifting responsibility for the 55,000Medicaid recipients to the insurance companies that provide 'managedcare.'

But the decision by the Department of Health and Human Resourcesnot to bid out the expansion came under fire this week. Critics saythe arrangement could cost the state millions of dollars and thatthe plan may be illegal.

Atkins said, 'There is no 'better deal'' to be found by biddingthe contracts.

'All managed care providers that sign an agreement with Medicaidare paid an actuarially sound rate approved by the federalgovernment, so there is little competition in the area of rates paidto providers,' she said.

A spokesman for DHHR has said state law does not require theproject to go to bid, though state law authorizes the department'ssecretary to bid out such contracts.

Managed care companies help control the costs of providing healthcare, though Atkins also said the changes were not being done tosave money.

'It is being done to coordinate the variety of services neededaround the members - both those with physical and behavioral healthdiagnoses - and ensure members have access to all the care theyneed,' she said.

Despite lowest premium, PEIA not expecting many to switch - The Charleston Gazette (Charleston, WV)

STAFF WRITER

Two of five health maintenance organizations offering health carepolicies to public employees have reduced their premiums for familycoverage for next fiscal year, but the Public Employees InsuranceAgency still has the lowest rate.

Even so, PEIA Director Robert Ayers says he does not expect alarge number of employees in HMOs to switch back to PEIA'sfinancially strapped indemnity or fee-for-service plan.PEIA's family premium, starting July 1, is $48 a month foremployees making between $18,001 and $30,000. Ayers said nearly 70percent of the employees are in that salary range.Carelink, an HMO with financial problems of its own, offered thelowest family rate of the five HMOs at $53.06 a month, compared withits current $64 premium for that salary bracket.'The rates are lower. But the benefits are different,' said BobDeitz, Carelink's acting president and chief executive officer.Carelink, like CAMC, is owned by Camcare, which has put $36million into the HMO the last four years, according to CAMCPresidentPhil Goodwin.Carelink is up for sale.Next fiscal year, the HMOs were given the option of offering oneof their commercial policies, with different benefits than PEIA has.Only the Health Plan of the Upper Ohio Valley chose to stay withPEIA's benefit package.The commercial policy Carelink offered public employees was lowerin premiums in most areas, Deitz said.When it comes to benefits, Deitz said, 'it's pretty much selectiveshopping.'Insurance Commissioner Hanley Clark, along with Ayes and Deitz,says public employees should compare the benefits and prices.Clark's agency approved the premium rates.Clark said public employees need to shop around to determine thepolicy that is best for them.The other HMOs' monthly premium for family coverage in the $18,001to $30,000 salary range were: PrimeONE, $90.26, down from $124.04;Optimum Choice, $144.28, up from $100; Ohio Valley, $89.48, up from$65.68; and Advantage/Qualmed, $134.34, up from $90.76. The currentpremiums apply to the $18,001 to $22,000 bracket.For single coverage in the same salary ranges, Carelink droppedfrom $20 to $12.96 a month compared with increases in the otherHMOs'premiums that were: PrimeONE, $14.96 from $13.66; Optimum Choice,$15.06 from $5; Ohio Valley, $27.40 from $17; and Advantage/Qualmed,$22.32 from $5.PEIA's monthly premium for single coverage is $10, effective July1.PEIA has 98,000 policyholders and covers 204,000 employees andtheir dependents. Ayers said PEIA has 36,000 family policies, but hedoesn't know how many families the HMOs cover.Ayers said PEIA's family premiums are not where they should be anda solution has to be found.Carelink has 16,500 of PEIA's enrollees, Deitz said.Carelink is given an 18 percent 'straight discount' on the billsit pays to CAMC, according to Deitz, who said that is less thandiscounts given by Thomas Memorial Hospital in South Charleston andCamden-Clark Memorial Hospital in Parkersburg.Goodwin said CAMC gives some discounts, mostly to those that arewilling to talk about managing the risk through wellness andprevention programs.Most HMOs want to negotiate a discount, but not many want to talkabout managing the risk with CAMC, he added.Goodwin said CAMC made some initial loans to Carelink when itstarted up and has some notes.To contact staff writer Fanny Seiler, call 348-5198.